I volunteered and showed up, not to critique. The rally was great. The paras deserve our support.
You're back working F status now. You know what they do in the school. Perhaps you have one in your classroom. This is what is all about. Standing up for everything they do. Stop beating a dead horse with this advantage care non- issue. It's off the table. PERIOD! You’re a broken record, enough
Alas, Nina, you're wrong again. The city is suing to dump us into MA, and UFT is part of an amicus brief for the city to help them do it. UFT is also battling our efforts to save Medicare via legislation.
This notwithstanding, I love your message--sit down and shut up. We have defeated your anti-union caucus in court over and over, and we will fight to defend YOUR health care too. I've just donated $100 to NYC Retirees in your name.
Have you forgotten that Mulgrew in concert with Garrido & Nespoli tried to force retirees into privatized Medicare Advantage (a scam per Wendell Potter) and has yet to do anything to stop the MLC in its efforts to keep trying to do that? It is disproportionate to use a small mistake to smear an entire caucus. But then anything to divert?
I, for one, was happy with the original Aetna proposal. I did my homework, attended the information sessions and asked questions - also contacting all my doctors. It didn’t happen. I have Medicare and Senior care. I’m grateful for having them. Why are you beating a dead horse? Can we move on?
I was there with Debbie as a volunteer at the para rally. Volunteers were sought ahead of time and I volunteered- not because of a caucus mind you, but because of a CAUSE - the paraprofessionals. We gave out t-shirts and signs to everyone who came - until we ran out at about 4pm. We didn’t ask them about voting - we THANKED them for coming.
No we cannot give up, and your insinuation that we have not done our homework is absurd and offensive. People have died as a result of Aetna's care, and they admitted it in court. In fact, prominent Unity members, former VPs, testified that they needed real Medicare for various conditions. UFT is still siding with the city against us, still opposing legislative remedies, and doing so against our express wishes. That's why they lost the retiree chapter. Michael Mulgrew chooses to represent the city rather than us, and we are forced to fight our own union, along with the city.
Arthur, the idea that I insinuate is from your negative perspective. I wrote what I did and how I feel. I won't insinuate. If I ever want to state that something is bad or reprehensible, I will do so transparently. Marianne wrote a long response that I will look into. You continue to lump everyone who doesn't agree with you into one basket and you do so with such venom. And...instead of walking up to any of us who were handing out signs and t-shirts at the Para Rally to ask about it, you assumed. Not something good for an author, but thank you for correcting it.
You claimed to have done your homework and that Aetna was fine. I've read the court cases. It is not, and Supreme Court judges declared that. You accused me of beating a dead horse, even as Bentkowski looms against us next month. Now I have a negative attitude, evidently. You're right. I have a very negative attitude toward those trying to separate me from the best health insurance I've ever had. Who is doing that? Your caucus.
Here’s what you may or may not have been told about the Aetna plan. Not all doctors that are in the plan today will be in the plan tomorrow or in two years from now. They also didn’t tell you if you had to move from wherever you are that your doctors would accept the plan. That is not something you have to worry about traditional Medicare.
In traditional Medicare, there are no networks. 99% of doctors in America accept it and the one percent that doesn’t are typically pediatricians and psychiatrists. Medicare advantage also has prior authorization that can be increased in volume if the union needs to pull more value out of the plan to fund its next contract. You have no control over that your former union does.
Traditional Medicare has rare prior authorizations. When your doctor wants to treat you, s/he can. In Medicare advantage your doctor has to ask permission of the insurance company who becomes the gatekeeper between you and your provider. And then there’s five level of appeals. As you get older, you need more healthcare and it shouldn’t be up to your former union and former employer to determine whether or not you get that care.
Retirees that are currently living in continuing care residential communities require traditional Medicare as a supplement in the lease that you signed when you move in. Forcing them into Medicare advantage leaves them without care and we know that for a fact as Aetna was working with our retirees in those communities and could never get the residences to agree to accept their plans
Also, if The City stopped, offering the supplement why you couldn’t afford to pay for it if they charged you, there are retirees that live in other states outside of New York, Maine, Massachusetts, and Connecticut that would never be able to purchase a supplement ever again because of underwriting .
Basically, they would be forced into the employer managed Medicare advantage plan for the rest of their life
You also never read the GAO report that said people in their last year of life were found to leave the Medicare advantage plan for traditional Medicare. The only reason you would do that is if your insurance plan was not covering your health needs. As no one knows that they’re in their last year of life, but their health care needs must be that dire.
And there’s been many hearings in Congress on the wrong wrongful delays in denial of care and Aetna had the highest at about 13%
So while in the seminar, they told you everything that you wanted to hear because you were listening to the insurance company, you weren’t listening to the people around the country that are in employer based plans that operate the same way as the commercial plans. And I don’t care how many times Michael Moro said he created it. It’s custom especially for you. We do have Aetna on audio from a meeting specifically stating the only thing custom about this plan where some of the perks and that they added hospital for special surgery and memorial Sloan Kettering
When you read the contract, every page and there’s over 10,000, everything I’m saying is truthful. I can prove everything I’ve said. You were lied to you and you didn’t even know it.
Further, the attorney for Aetna admitted in court to the judge that there would be times that Retirees would be denied access to care would undergo multiple levels of appeals and their doctors in hospitals would have to change. They also acknowledged that people die because of decisions made by Aetna and those are just business decisions. It was the ugliest thing we had ever heard in a court of law and clearly the judge agreed.
So while Medicare advantage plans will work for healthy people that want the perks not the plan for healthcare there’s going to come a time in their life when that’s not going to work
And how about there many retirees in TWU local 100 transit a quasi state union agency, from MTA, who were forced into this plan and many of them who are in their 70s living in other states have to drive almost an hour to find a doctor that will accept their plan. You aren’t aware of that either.
So no Margaret we can’t stop. It’s not beating a dead horse because it’s not over. You may think it’s over but it’s not. Mike was still defending it just a couple months ago and Henry Garrido and the mayor were still pushing it.
Right now they’re also trying to increase co-pays and deductibles and looking to replace the plan for the under 65 Retirees and active workers. Are any of you aware of that? No are you also aware that they’re discussing tiering hospitals? That depending on which hospital you go to, you would pay a higher co-pay or a higher deductible
We have been screaming about this for the last three years. No Margaret this fight’s not over.
And what’s worse is there’s less transparency than there was the last time as many of them were forced to sign non-disclosure agreements
Laura, I never mentioned Michael Mulgrew in my comment...and yes, I did my due diligence. You may not think so, but you don't know me nor my research. You may believe I'm silly, but that's ok.
Would love to move on. But it is Mulgrew who is persisting in his attempts to damage retirees' healthcare, and now UFT pensions, to give more $ to NYC = the boss.
Now is not the time to become complacent. The case about Medicare vs. Medicare Advantage is before NYS' top court and Mulgrew has done nothing to oppose the MLC from trying to still force retirees into the latter except making airy statements. (Talk is cheap) Now there is also battle over whether NYC should be allowed to unnecessarily reduce payments to UFT retirees pensions then make ballooon payments down the road - financially a very unwise tactic. This reduction would never have been attempted if Mulgrew had opposed it! Do not be fooled Mulgrew is no friend to workers once they retire.
As to Aetna - have you read where CMS found they were overbilling Medicare by billions$? Health insurance companies are hated in this country for very good reasons - at least by the many, many people who have taken the time to become informed about them, including the scam called Medicare Advanatge. (Where did you learn about MA - from Mulgrew?) Read Wendell Potter's book Deadly Spin: "An Insurance Company Insider Speaks Out on How Corporate PR Is Killing Health Care and Deceiving Americans" Potter is an ex-Cigna executive who marketed MA!!
Not only has Mulgrew failed to do anything, but he's part of an amicus brief against us. Unity claims they can't support 1096 as it violates the Taylor Law and collective bargaining, neither of which applies to retirees--unless you count their repeated efforts to sell out our health care for compensation increases that do not apply to us.
To answer the one question posed, I learned about Medicare Advantage from a post on the UFT website. I then did my research from there. You may not like Mulgrew, but are you saying that ALL the hard working people at the UFT are conspiring against not only you, but themselves as well? I came from the private sector as an at-will employee. The UFT has provided me with a great pension and premium free health insurance. I would not have anything close to this from my former employers- including as a NYS teacher.
I understand chapter leaders receive money, based on the number of members at their school, ostensibly to but coffee/ snacks for chapter meeting. But, if true, it also seems most chapter leaders simply pocket this money. Is there any accountability for this or is this just an unofficial part of the UFT gravy train.
I've used it to buy Costco cookies and cakes and things for chapter meetings, but not the election push when we sprang for Fat Cardinal. I also used it to take members out when I accompanied them disciplinary hearings or events. I doubt I broke even, but I don't know. I got about 1250 a year for repping around 350 members. I think the last year I was in they gave a little more for attending the DA or COPE drives or something. I can only speak for myself. Anyone with a job like mine who was motivated by 1200 bucks is even more insane than I am.
Ok, so no- this money is not accounted for. Glad you find $1200 such a negligible amount of money. But I don't recall ever receiving even a Costco cookie at any of the chapter meetings attended at school where I've worked. Just more grist for the UFT patronage mill, no wonder chapter leaders advocate hard for Unity. Well, this and the promise of do- nothing union gigs upon retirement.
1200 is nothing when you consider the amount of work this job is. And it doesn't last long either--go out to lunch with members a few times and it's gone. Being CL of a large school, the most overcrowded in the city, is a full time job on top of your full time job. I'm not complaining because I was all-in and I loved it. For the record, while I aligned with Unity for a spell after being purged from the caucus I ran and won with, I was not ever a member of the Unity caucus, and I've never held a union job.
Also. the amount I got was because we are a very large school and maxed out. Smaller chapters may get way less.
Not for everyone. My experience with chapter leaders is they do almost nothing, curry favor with the principal, receive sweetheart programs, and an eventual retirement gig with UFT. This money paid out to chapter leaders (many who complain what a thankless job it is despite actively running for the position) is best kept secret in UFT after Unity's loyalty oath.
I know there are chapter leaders like that. I won't pretend otherwise. I'd argue, though, that you're creating a stereotype. Furthermore, the fact is it's an uncompensated position, other than one fewer teaching period. I don't think it's a thankless job, as there is a lot of gratification in helping people. I learned how rewarding that can be.
For me, it was trial by fire. I couldn't walk down the hall without being stopped multiple times. I kept a pad in my pocket at first, so I could write down questions and find answers. In time, most of the questions were repeated, and I knew the answers quicker. Sometimes I'd answer emails with links I found at uft.org, and impressed people. The truth is they could've searched themselves.
But during my first weeks as CL, freaked out at every spare moment, I'd walk into the classroom and realize--hey, I REALLY know how to do this thing. It made me appreciate teaching a lot. I knew how to interact with kids and handle classroom issues. It took me more effort to learn how to deal with adults as chapter leader.
You're right about some. I had a CL who, when you'd approach him, said, "Put a letter in my box," and clearly hoped I wouldn't. But I always did. A UFT rep came to my school, and I told her how freaked out I was. She said, when members ask questions, just say, "Put a letter in my box." 90% of them won't bother.
I never told anyone to put a letter in my box. The first time I ran, I had three opponents. The next three times, no one opposed me.
This was voted on unanimously by EVERY member of the committee. Including those who are backing your slate.
And the reason we cannot do bagel for a ballot, or cookie for a ballot is because 2 or 3 cycles ago is because a complaint was filed by one of the challenging caucuses. UNITY would have let you keep your ballot.for a cookie. It makes sense.
This was passed in January 22nd in committee. There were no ABC slate members there at this time as petitions were not even being passed around or filed.
The folks there were representing other caucuses or groups at that time based on previous elections.
These items were not presented to those committee members until the moment where they were told to agree or not.
But what concerns me , an "anonymous" boots on the ground trade unionist , is the lack of Unity amongst the oppo caucuses.
Let everyone check their egos at the door when they enter the Hall of Democratic Unionism because we will never have clean Unionism without sweeping the Unity people out of their positions.
I know many of the opposition folks have been working their hearts out to help get rid of Unity hegemony , and I for one am so grateful to you all!
Sink the differences and clear Unity out of it's niches and offices , then let each caucus present it's case to the Delegate Assembly.
I know that many other rank and filers are upset that the people in these caucuses are forcing them to chose one or the other oppo group-wrong!
I'll for sure choose a side , but only when Unity has been banished from it's entranced dominación.
Again , many thanks for your sreadfastness and devoción, but let our Unity be the priority now!
You are so cynical. I passed out shirts to help.
I volunteered and showed up, not to critique. The rally was great. The paras deserve our support.
You're back working F status now. You know what they do in the school. Perhaps you have one in your classroom. This is what is all about. Standing up for everything they do. Stop beating a dead horse with this advantage care non- issue. It's off the table. PERIOD! You’re a broken record, enough
Alas, Nina, you're wrong again. The city is suing to dump us into MA, and UFT is part of an amicus brief for the city to help them do it. UFT is also battling our efforts to save Medicare via legislation.
This notwithstanding, I love your message--sit down and shut up. We have defeated your anti-union caucus in court over and over, and we will fight to defend YOUR health care too. I've just donated $100 to NYC Retirees in your name.
Congratulations.
The hats were from lobby day & were passed out to all that participated . I was there when a para rep had 3 in a bag
Only tshirts & signs were passed out
Your twisting of the truth is the problem with your caucus. It’s so disappointing ! If losing support is your goal keep up the good work!
Have you forgotten that Mulgrew in concert with Garrido & Nespoli tried to force retirees into privatized Medicare Advantage (a scam per Wendell Potter) and has yet to do anything to stop the MLC in its efforts to keep trying to do that? It is disproportionate to use a small mistake to smear an entire caucus. But then anything to divert?
That thought occurred to me as well.
I, for one, was happy with the original Aetna proposal. I did my homework, attended the information sessions and asked questions - also contacting all my doctors. It didn’t happen. I have Medicare and Senior care. I’m grateful for having them. Why are you beating a dead horse? Can we move on?
I was there with Debbie as a volunteer at the para rally. Volunteers were sought ahead of time and I volunteered- not because of a caucus mind you, but because of a CAUSE - the paraprofessionals. We gave out t-shirts and signs to everyone who came - until we ran out at about 4pm. We didn’t ask them about voting - we THANKED them for coming.
No we cannot give up, and your insinuation that we have not done our homework is absurd and offensive. People have died as a result of Aetna's care, and they admitted it in court. In fact, prominent Unity members, former VPs, testified that they needed real Medicare for various conditions. UFT is still siding with the city against us, still opposing legislative remedies, and doing so against our express wishes. That's why they lost the retiree chapter. Michael Mulgrew chooses to represent the city rather than us, and we are forced to fight our own union, along with the city.
Arthur, the idea that I insinuate is from your negative perspective. I wrote what I did and how I feel. I won't insinuate. If I ever want to state that something is bad or reprehensible, I will do so transparently. Marianne wrote a long response that I will look into. You continue to lump everyone who doesn't agree with you into one basket and you do so with such venom. And...instead of walking up to any of us who were handing out signs and t-shirts at the Para Rally to ask about it, you assumed. Not something good for an author, but thank you for correcting it.
You claimed to have done your homework and that Aetna was fine. I've read the court cases. It is not, and Supreme Court judges declared that. You accused me of beating a dead horse, even as Bentkowski looms against us next month. Now I have a negative attitude, evidently. You're right. I have a very negative attitude toward those trying to separate me from the best health insurance I've ever had. Who is doing that? Your caucus.
I’m simply responding, Arthur. You have not offended me at all.
Here’s what you may or may not have been told about the Aetna plan. Not all doctors that are in the plan today will be in the plan tomorrow or in two years from now. They also didn’t tell you if you had to move from wherever you are that your doctors would accept the plan. That is not something you have to worry about traditional Medicare.
In traditional Medicare, there are no networks. 99% of doctors in America accept it and the one percent that doesn’t are typically pediatricians and psychiatrists. Medicare advantage also has prior authorization that can be increased in volume if the union needs to pull more value out of the plan to fund its next contract. You have no control over that your former union does.
Traditional Medicare has rare prior authorizations. When your doctor wants to treat you, s/he can. In Medicare advantage your doctor has to ask permission of the insurance company who becomes the gatekeeper between you and your provider. And then there’s five level of appeals. As you get older, you need more healthcare and it shouldn’t be up to your former union and former employer to determine whether or not you get that care.
Retirees that are currently living in continuing care residential communities require traditional Medicare as a supplement in the lease that you signed when you move in. Forcing them into Medicare advantage leaves them without care and we know that for a fact as Aetna was working with our retirees in those communities and could never get the residences to agree to accept their plans
Also, if The City stopped, offering the supplement why you couldn’t afford to pay for it if they charged you, there are retirees that live in other states outside of New York, Maine, Massachusetts, and Connecticut that would never be able to purchase a supplement ever again because of underwriting .
Basically, they would be forced into the employer managed Medicare advantage plan for the rest of their life
You also never read the GAO report that said people in their last year of life were found to leave the Medicare advantage plan for traditional Medicare. The only reason you would do that is if your insurance plan was not covering your health needs. As no one knows that they’re in their last year of life, but their health care needs must be that dire.
And there’s been many hearings in Congress on the wrong wrongful delays in denial of care and Aetna had the highest at about 13%
So while in the seminar, they told you everything that you wanted to hear because you were listening to the insurance company, you weren’t listening to the people around the country that are in employer based plans that operate the same way as the commercial plans. And I don’t care how many times Michael Moro said he created it. It’s custom especially for you. We do have Aetna on audio from a meeting specifically stating the only thing custom about this plan where some of the perks and that they added hospital for special surgery and memorial Sloan Kettering
When you read the contract, every page and there’s over 10,000, everything I’m saying is truthful. I can prove everything I’ve said. You were lied to you and you didn’t even know it.
Further, the attorney for Aetna admitted in court to the judge that there would be times that Retirees would be denied access to care would undergo multiple levels of appeals and their doctors in hospitals would have to change. They also acknowledged that people die because of decisions made by Aetna and those are just business decisions. It was the ugliest thing we had ever heard in a court of law and clearly the judge agreed.
So while Medicare advantage plans will work for healthy people that want the perks not the plan for healthcare there’s going to come a time in their life when that’s not going to work
And how about there many retirees in TWU local 100 transit a quasi state union agency, from MTA, who were forced into this plan and many of them who are in their 70s living in other states have to drive almost an hour to find a doctor that will accept their plan. You aren’t aware of that either.
So no Margaret we can’t stop. It’s not beating a dead horse because it’s not over. You may think it’s over but it’s not. Mike was still defending it just a couple months ago and Henry Garrido and the mayor were still pushing it.
Right now they’re also trying to increase co-pays and deductibles and looking to replace the plan for the under 65 Retirees and active workers. Are any of you aware of that? No are you also aware that they’re discussing tiering hospitals? That depending on which hospital you go to, you would pay a higher co-pay or a higher deductible
We have been screaming about this for the last three years. No Margaret this fight’s not over.
And what’s worse is there’s less transparency than there was the last time as many of them were forced to sign non-disclosure agreements
Remind me never to argue with you, Marianne.
LOL Arthur! I agree. Marianne Pizzitola is awesome. And It thrills me to know that you regularly brainstorm with her.
How silly to read Unity loyalists defending themselves on how they've done their "homework" as they side with Mulgrew.
And Arthur, THANK YOU! on so many levels. Your columns never disappoint, and this is another winner. ABC must win!!!
Thanks for your kind words Laura.
Laura, I never mentioned Michael Mulgrew in my comment...and yes, I did my due diligence. You may not think so, but you don't know me nor my research. You may believe I'm silly, but that's ok.
Would love to move on. But it is Mulgrew who is persisting in his attempts to damage retirees' healthcare, and now UFT pensions, to give more $ to NYC = the boss.
Now is not the time to become complacent. The case about Medicare vs. Medicare Advantage is before NYS' top court and Mulgrew has done nothing to oppose the MLC from trying to still force retirees into the latter except making airy statements. (Talk is cheap) Now there is also battle over whether NYC should be allowed to unnecessarily reduce payments to UFT retirees pensions then make ballooon payments down the road - financially a very unwise tactic. This reduction would never have been attempted if Mulgrew had opposed it! Do not be fooled Mulgrew is no friend to workers once they retire.
As to Aetna - have you read where CMS found they were overbilling Medicare by billions$? Health insurance companies are hated in this country for very good reasons - at least by the many, many people who have taken the time to become informed about them, including the scam called Medicare Advanatge. (Where did you learn about MA - from Mulgrew?) Read Wendell Potter's book Deadly Spin: "An Insurance Company Insider Speaks Out on How Corporate PR Is Killing Health Care and Deceiving Americans" Potter is an ex-Cigna executive who marketed MA!!
Not only has Mulgrew failed to do anything, but he's part of an amicus brief against us. Unity claims they can't support 1096 as it violates the Taylor Law and collective bargaining, neither of which applies to retirees--unless you count their repeated efforts to sell out our health care for compensation increases that do not apply to us.
To answer the one question posed, I learned about Medicare Advantage from a post on the UFT website. I then did my research from there. You may not like Mulgrew, but are you saying that ALL the hard working people at the UFT are conspiring against not only you, but themselves as well? I came from the private sector as an at-will employee. The UFT has provided me with a great pension and premium free health insurance. I would not have anything close to this from my former employers- including as a NYS teacher.
You are not very good at reading my mind. I'd suggest you stick to ,my words.
Arthur, I was responding to Alan’s comment - not yours. Perhaps that was not clear in the order of the thread.
I didn't know that, and I will correct the post.
I understand chapter leaders receive money, based on the number of members at their school, ostensibly to but coffee/ snacks for chapter meeting. But, if true, it also seems most chapter leaders simply pocket this money. Is there any accountability for this or is this just an unofficial part of the UFT gravy train.
I've used it to buy Costco cookies and cakes and things for chapter meetings, but not the election push when we sprang for Fat Cardinal. I also used it to take members out when I accompanied them disciplinary hearings or events. I doubt I broke even, but I don't know. I got about 1250 a year for repping around 350 members. I think the last year I was in they gave a little more for attending the DA or COPE drives or something. I can only speak for myself. Anyone with a job like mine who was motivated by 1200 bucks is even more insane than I am.
Ok, so no- this money is not accounted for. Glad you find $1200 such a negligible amount of money. But I don't recall ever receiving even a Costco cookie at any of the chapter meetings attended at school where I've worked. Just more grist for the UFT patronage mill, no wonder chapter leaders advocate hard for Unity. Well, this and the promise of do- nothing union gigs upon retirement.
1200 is nothing when you consider the amount of work this job is. And it doesn't last long either--go out to lunch with members a few times and it's gone. Being CL of a large school, the most overcrowded in the city, is a full time job on top of your full time job. I'm not complaining because I was all-in and I loved it. For the record, while I aligned with Unity for a spell after being purged from the caucus I ran and won with, I was not ever a member of the Unity caucus, and I've never held a union job.
Also. the amount I got was because we are a very large school and maxed out. Smaller chapters may get way less.
Not for everyone. My experience with chapter leaders is they do almost nothing, curry favor with the principal, receive sweetheart programs, and an eventual retirement gig with UFT. This money paid out to chapter leaders (many who complain what a thankless job it is despite actively running for the position) is best kept secret in UFT after Unity's loyalty oath.
I know there are chapter leaders like that. I won't pretend otherwise. I'd argue, though, that you're creating a stereotype. Furthermore, the fact is it's an uncompensated position, other than one fewer teaching period. I don't think it's a thankless job, as there is a lot of gratification in helping people. I learned how rewarding that can be.
For me, it was trial by fire. I couldn't walk down the hall without being stopped multiple times. I kept a pad in my pocket at first, so I could write down questions and find answers. In time, most of the questions were repeated, and I knew the answers quicker. Sometimes I'd answer emails with links I found at uft.org, and impressed people. The truth is they could've searched themselves.
But during my first weeks as CL, freaked out at every spare moment, I'd walk into the classroom and realize--hey, I REALLY know how to do this thing. It made me appreciate teaching a lot. I knew how to interact with kids and handle classroom issues. It took me more effort to learn how to deal with adults as chapter leader.
You're right about some. I had a CL who, when you'd approach him, said, "Put a letter in my box," and clearly hoped I wouldn't. But I always did. A UFT rep came to my school, and I told her how freaked out I was. She said, when members ask questions, just say, "Put a letter in my box." 90% of them won't bother.
I never told anyone to put a letter in my box. The first time I ran, I had three opponents. The next three times, no one opposed me.
This was voted on unanimously by EVERY member of the committee. Including those who are backing your slate.
And the reason we cannot do bagel for a ballot, or cookie for a ballot is because 2 or 3 cycles ago is because a complaint was filed by one of the challenging caucuses. UNITY would have let you keep your ballot.for a cookie. It makes sense.
And yet you favor practices, like this one, that are self-serving, anti-democratic and despicable. Go figure.
This was passed in January 22nd in committee. There were no ABC slate members there at this time as petitions were not even being passed around or filed.
The folks there were representing other caucuses or groups at that time based on previous elections.
These items were not presented to those committee members until the moment where they were told to agree or not.
Second chance voting is wrong.
Well put , once again.
But what concerns me , an "anonymous" boots on the ground trade unionist , is the lack of Unity amongst the oppo caucuses.
Let everyone check their egos at the door when they enter the Hall of Democratic Unionism because we will never have clean Unionism without sweeping the Unity people out of their positions.
I know many of the opposition folks have been working their hearts out to help get rid of Unity hegemony , and I for one am so grateful to you all!
Sink the differences and clear Unity out of it's niches and offices , then let each caucus present it's case to the Delegate Assembly.
I know that many other rank and filers are upset that the people in these caucuses are forcing them to chose one or the other oppo group-wrong!
I'll for sure choose a side , but only when Unity has been banished from it's entranced dominación.
Again , many thanks for your sreadfastness and devoción, but let our Unity be the priority now!
Peter Merovitch Senderowitz
Thanks Peter. I understand your concerns. I'd love to be able to accommodate your request, but it's literally too late now.
That is not true and spreading such falsehood is also culpable. Need I remind you talebearers are just as hurtful as talemakers.
? Ummm—who?
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